Interview with Keith Giles, Subversive Christian Author and Pacifist Fight Club Founder

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Around six years ago I found myself grow­ing more and more dis­il­lu­sioned with my child­hood reli­gion. Even­tu­ally I was forced out by the lead­er­ship, when I  men­tally dis­con­nected from the unbreak­ing dogma and the rigid struc­ture.  On the out­side, I real­ized that I wasn’t a unique case, and that so many more were leav­ing their churches in droves.  What impressed me were those that held their Chris­tian­ity and tried to work out­side the sys­tem, to chase after some­thing more pure, and per­haps closer to the genetic source mate­r­ial of the Chris­t­ian faith.  That is how I first ran across Orange County’s Keith Giles. Though I per­son­ally have mixed feel­ings about Chris­tian­ity, I absolutely respect Keith and his gen­uine approach to his faith.  Hon­estly, when I see ani­mos­ity or indif­fer­ence toward Chris­tian­ity for its faults and abuses, I wish more non-believers could be exposed to some­one like him.  It was my absolute priv­i­lege to inter­view Keith and I sin­cerely hope that no mat­ter what your per­sonal beliefs are, you’ll hear him out.

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You’ve been self-publishing books for a while and mak­ing them avail­able for free.  This is some­thing that I’ve always admired.  What are your rea­sons for choos­ing this approach?

I think it’s par­tially the Holy Spirit and par­tially my own reluc­tance to charge peo­ple money to read the truth. First of all, I started out writ­ing my blog as a way to use my gift of writ­ing for the King­dom back in 2005. Over time the con­tent on the blog sort of blos­somed into sev­eral themes which became my first three books (Nobody Fol­lows Jesus (So Why Should You?); The Top 10 Things Every Chris­t­ian Should Know (But Prob­a­bly Doesn’t) and The Gospel:For Here or to Go?), so when I self-published those through Lulu.com I had the option to set prices for the PDF ver­sions of each book. I think I saw those PDF’s as oppor­tu­ni­ties to share what God had taught me with every­one with­out charg­ing them for it.

See? This is prob­a­bly why I will never be a full-time author, because I just can’t get com­fort­able with the idea that the Gospel has to be pur­chased. Of course, I have a day job (as a copy­writer for an in-house mar­ket­ing agency), so I don’t need to sell books to sup­port my fam­ily. I guess because of this I have the lux­ury of such con­vic­tions, but if I can share what God has given me with every­one I’d rather do that and make noth­ing than only share it with a few and make something.

Now, ear­lier this year I started pub­lish­ing eBooks on Amazon.com. After a friend of mine con­vinced me this might be some­thing worth explor­ing I self-published War Is Not Chris­t­ian, How To Start A Min­istry To The Poor In Your Com­mu­nity and The Power of Weak­ness as Kindle-exclusive eBooks. Those are not free, and with the excep­tion of The Power of Weak­ness the first two are  sim­ply com­pi­la­tions of my arti­cles of the same title over at my blog. So, tech­ni­cally you can still read those two for free, minus the Jon Zens fore­word to War Is Not Chris­t­ian that is.

The Power of Weak­ness is a book that I’ve had on the back burner for about four years or so. It’s about how God loves to do extra­or­di­nary things through ordi­nary peo­ple. The eBook option gave me the oppor­tu­nity to release it after all this time and based on the tes­ti­monies I’ve received from peo­ple so far, I’m very glad I was able to share that one with everyone.

Going for­ward I plan to pub­lish two or three more Kin­dle exclu­sive eBooks like this, (Sub­ver­sive Inter­views Vol­ume 2, How Many Chris­tians Does It Take To Unscrew The Church? and Rag­ing Against Your Own Machine), but my next major book project will be avail­able as a free Ebook download.

You’ve held Paci­fist Fight Club  events in Cal­i­for­nia.  If it’s not against the rules, can you talk about it?

This started off as a joke, actu­ally. It was about the time that a cer­tain infa­mous pas­tor from Seat­tle made another sad com­ment about (I think) wor­ship lead­ers being too girly or some­thing. This spawned a brief Twit­ter flurry of com­ments and I think I tweeted some­thing like, “For the record, I could totally take Brandt Russo and Chase Andre in a cage match.” Then Chase responded by say­ing, “We could call it Paci­fist Fight Club” and then I started cre­at­ing the rules of PFC like, “Rule #1: You do not talk about PFC” and then when I got to the sec­ond one “Rule #2: You do not talk about PFC but must move from talk to action” I real­ized that we were on to some­thing real.

So, I started brain­storm­ing this as an actual event called “Paci­fist Fight Club” where we would gather other Chris­tians who would fight for jus­tice but do no vio­lence. I think I pur­chased PacifistFightClub.com next day and started putting together a loca­tion about a week later.

What it turned into was a series of quar­terly gath­er­ings in Orange County where like-minded believ­ers who fol­low Jesus into a lifestyle of non-violence could gather and share ideas and sup­port one another in this direc­tion. We’ve tack­led top­ics like “Nation­al­ism”, “Poverty”, “Injus­tice”, “War”, and sim­i­lar top­ics so far.

Our sec­ond gath­er­ing was called “This Time It’s War” and any­one inter­ested can watch the videos pre­sen­ta­tions by Brandt Russo, Chase Andre and myself from that day over at PacifistFightClub.com.

Our next event is com­ing up on Sep­tem­ber 15th and it’s at Biola. Our theme is “The Least of These” and we’ll hear from a mostly female team on issues like Home­less­ness, Immi­gra­tion, Tor­ture and the Pris­oner. The cool thing is that this thing has a life of its own now. I mean, I’m not even speak­ing at this third event. It’s awe­some! All I have to do is to show up and engage in the dialog.

The for­mat for each event is a short twenty minute pre­sen­ta­tion fol­lowed by dia­log and inter­ac­tion on the topic. It’s very conversational.

I think the best thing that has come out of these events so far has been pro­vid­ing a voice and a sense of com­mu­nity for those Chris­tians who feel pas­sion­ate about these issues. The most often repeated state­ment in our first gath­er­ing of PFC was, “I’m the only Chris­t­ian in my Church who thinks like this.” So, we knew right away that there was a seri­ous need for PFC.

Now that we see more Nation­al­ism and Pro-War rhetoric in our Churches today, not to men­tion the overt Polit­i­cal nature of most Chris­t­ian dia­log, the need for Paci­fist Fight Club is more evi­dent than ever.

Could you give an overview of your church his­tory and reli­gious background?

Wow. That’s a long one. I’ll try to shorten it if I can: I’m a fol­lower of Jesus. There. How’s that?

Ok, seri­ously now. I was always spir­i­tu­ally aware, I guess. Prob­a­bly went to church once (that I can remem­ber) before I was nine years old, but I still always thought about God and talked to Him. One of my ear­li­est mem­o­ries was from around kinder­garten or first grade when I asked my Mom about Heaven and how we know if we’re going to go there after we die. When she con­fessed that she didn’t know the answer I broke down in tears and sobbed, “But we have to find out!”

So, even­tu­ally my fam­ily ended up at the Light­house Free Will Bap­tist Church in Eagle Pass, Texas. Before that we vis­ited a Methodist church for a while, and even almost became Mor­mons — but my Dad kicked those guys out of our liv­ing room one night after he sud­denly real­ized that they weren’t talk­ing about the same Jesus he was raised to believe in.

Any­way, to fast for­ward a bit, after I sur­ren­dered my life to Christ at age 9, I was raised South­ern Bap­tist, met my wife in col­lege at the Bap­tist Stu­dent Union min­istry and was licensed and ordained to the Min­istry of the Gospel in a Bap­tist Church in El Paso, Texas.

Fast for­ward another 25 years or so and I’ve since walked away from my paid, on-staff posi­tion as a pas­tor in order to serve in full-time min­istry every day of my life as an unpaid mem­ber of the Body of Christ.

Essen­tially what hap­pened was that God called my wife and I to step away from tra­di­tional church in order to plant a church where 100 per­cent of the offer­ings could go to help the poor in our com­mu­nity. The only way to make that hap­pen was to meet in homes and for me to take a real job in the real work­force. That was six years ago. I still say it’s the best thing I’ve ever done with the word “Church” on it.

So, with this small group of about twenty or so peo­ple we’ve been able to give away thou­sands of dol­lars every year to help buy gro­ceries and pay rent for actual peo­ple liv­ing in poverty or in need here in our com­mu­nity — and some­times even in our own church fam­ily. No one takes a salary. Every penny goes to help peo­ple. We don’t even use the money in the bas­ket for paper plates or cof­fee. All of it goes to help actual peo­ple in need.

Just before this call­ing to step out and plant a house church (which was pretty far out­side my com­fort zone, by the way), I had my world rocked pretty hard when I heard the Gospel of the Kingdom.

Yes, after being licensed and ordained over 20 years and serv­ing as a full-time pas­tor I was sud­denly blown away when I heard the Gospel that Jesus preached for the first time. That Gospel was not the Gospel I heard at the age of nine. It wasn’t the Gospel preached at any church I had ever been to or served at. It wasn’t the Gospel I myself was preach­ing. It was the Gospel that Jesus preached which was “Repent! The King­dom of God is at hand.”

After real­iz­ing that I had been try­ing to fol­low Jesus with­out tak­ing up my cross daily (which is the only way any­one can ever fol­low Jesus, accord­ing to him), I had to fall on my knees and sur­ren­der every­thing. I lit­er­ally had to “think dif­fer­ent” (which is what the word “Repent” actu­ally means — “Metanoia” in the Greek) in order to re-imagine what it meant to be a Christian.

Sud­denly every­thing I thought I knew was wrong. I had to re-read the New Tes­ta­ment with new eyes. Hon­estly, I am still recov­er­ing from that ini­tial King­dom shock today. It changed every­thing for me. The way I under­stood being a dis­ci­ple, and mak­ing dis­ci­ples, and lead­er­ship, ser­vice, com­pas­sion, poverty, suf­fer­ing, com­mu­nity, church — every­thing changed for the bet­ter. I’ll never go back.

In your book This Is My Body: Ekkle­sia as God Intended you write, “I believe it’s time the Church went out of busi­ness.”  I’m sorry, but I’ve got to ask, what do you have against the Church?

You’re not the first one to ask me that ques­tion, Anthony. Hope­fully those who actu­ally read this book will not ask me that by the time the reach the last page. It took me 3 years to write that book and that’s mostly because my wife, Wendy, was hon­est enough to admit to me that I had a bet­ter book inside of me than the one I had first writ­ten. That first draft would have charged up those who already agreed with my premise, but it would have alien­ated every­one I really hoped to com­mu­ni­cate to. So as painful as it was to do so, I trashed that draft and started over from scratch. That first intro­duc­tion (which is in the cur­rent ver­sion of the book) explains that I love the Church and because of that what I can­not do is to stand aside while She eats from the dump­ster when I can see the beau­ti­ful ban­quet Her Lord Jesus has pre­pared for her to feast upon. That’s why I wrote the book.

So, by the time I get to the chap­ter in the book where I say, “I believe it’s time the Church went out of busi­ness” I’ve already laid a whole lot of run­way in advance to lift that idea into the air and keep it soar­ing in everyone’s mind. At least, I hope so. The feed­back I’ve received so far has been very pos­i­tive and it seems that my strat­egy to bring peo­ple along with me on a jour­ney was successful.

Even if the reader doesn’t agree with me by the time they reach the end of my book, I hope they can see my heart for the Body of Christ and my sin­cere love for the Ecclessia of God.

To answer your ques­tion, I sim­ply don’t see any­where in the Scrip­tures where the Church is referred to as a Busi­ness. It’s a Body, a Bride, a Fam­ily, an Army, a Priest­hood, etc., but it’s not a Busi­ness.  Now, the rea­son that mat­ters is that if you think of the Church as a busi­ness it will change how you treat your broth­ers and sis­ters, as opposed to how you would treat them if you think of the Church as a Fam­ily, or as a Priest­hood, or as a Body.

Sim­ply put, if the Church doesn’t oper­ate the way Paul describes in 1 Corinthi­ans 12 and 14, then it’s not a Body, it’s some­thing else. We can only accu­rately call the Church a Body if Christ is actu­ally, func­tion­ally the Head of every­one, and if all of us are work­ing together to serve one another and encour­age one another as Paul’s metaphor describes. To be a Body there have to be a vari­ety of gifts work­ing through every­one in the assem­bly for the strength­en­ing of the Church. That’s how a Body oper­ates, but sadly it’s not how most Churches oper­ate today.

In This Is My Body you write against the idea of a paid clergy.  How dif­fi­cult was it for you to tran­si­tion from a paid posi­tion in the church institution?

It took me about a year to find a full-time job that would sup­port our fam­ily after walk­ing away from paid staff at our pre­vi­ous church. That was a tough year, and our entire church fam­ily got to see us endure that sea­son as a fam­ily. We depended on God for our daily bread and He pro­vided faith­fully. I think it was some­thing God wanted us to go through as a church fam­ily too.

Hon­estly, this is prob­a­bly one of the hard­est things for most pas­tors to fig­ure out. I know a few who have done it, but frankly I know more that have not. At least, not yet.

In my case I was lucky in that my Bachelor’s degree was from a sec­u­lar col­lege in cre­ative writ­ing, and I had exten­sive free-lance writ­ing expe­ri­ence in my back­ground, and I had worked for Soul Sur­vivor USA as their Mar­ket­ing Coor­di­na­tor for about 3 years so that helped me cre­ate a pretty exten­sive port­fo­lio, which I used to get the copy­writ­ing job I have right now. Most pas­tors aren’t that lucky. They have an MDiv degree and their resume is noth­ing but church staff posi­tions so it’s very hard to find work out­side the Church.

You know I feel, per­son­ally, that no one should ever be paid to serve their broth­ers and sis­ters in the Body of Christ, so I’d say that it’s worth it to leave that posi­tion and ask the Lord to lead you to that job in the reg­u­lar work­force, but that’s just me.

The great thing for me, now, is that I’m learn­ing to be just another func­tional mem­ber of the Body of Christ. I’m not the leader in our house church fam­ily. No one is except Jesus. They don’t need me or my fam­ily around to meet together or to hear from the Lord. In fact, some­times we’re not even there because we’re teach­ing at the motel church.

I have really loved learn­ing how to “be the church” over the last six years with these dear peo­ple. God is still teach­ing us how to seek Him and how to allow Jesus to be our Head every time we gather. It’s exhilarating!

Can you walk me through one your home church gatherings?

Actu­ally, I’ve been mean­ing to write this out any­way, so thanks for the oppor­tu­nity to do this.Essentially, what we try to do is to come together and “take hold of Christ” as a Body. In other words, try to imag­ine that your church was sit­ting together in someone’s liv­ing room and sud­denly Jesus walks in the door and stands in the cen­ter of the room.

Would you guys keep talk­ing to one another about the weather, or sports, or even Bible verses? Hope­fully you’d all sit qui­etly and lean for­ward to hear what Jesus wanted to say to you. You’d talk to Him, not to each other. You’d meet with Him, not have a meet­ing about Him while He watched. That’s basi­cally what we’re try­ing to do every time we meet.

Now, it might look dif­fer­ent each time. And some­times, hon­estly, we’re bet­ter at it than at other times. But, usu­ally our times together go some­thing like this:

Some of us meet about thirty min­utes early for prayer before the meet­ing starts. A brother once noted that an open meet­ing requires more prayer together, not less. Because an open meet­ing is lead by the Spirit, not by any one per­son or per­sons.  Every­one is invited to this prayer time, but no one has to come if they don’t want to.

After prayer every­one else shows up for a shared, potluck meal together. Eat­ing is an essen­tial ingre­di­ent, I believe. It helps us to get to know one another and to be together with­out being pre­ten­tious. It’s also how we build com­mu­nity and find out what peo­ple are like, what they’re going through, etc. Real min­istry can take place dur­ing the meal times, or we can just laugh together and eat some great food. Either way it’s worth the invest­ment of time.

Even­tu­ally we’ll gather around the sofas and set out the com­mu­nion ele­ments and wait qui­etly for a while to pray together before we start singing songs. The singing is always sug­gested by the mem­bers of the Body, or any­one in the room. We have a set of wor­ship songs put together in a song­book for­mat, and we also have a set of old Bap­tist Hym­nals. Or some­one can bring a CD with a song to share, or they can just start singing a song that they love a cap­pella and either teach it to all of us, or let those who know it join in.

There’s lots of flex­i­bil­ity, as you’ll notice. We’re very con­scious of the fact that we’re not putting on a show. We’re not try­ing to shush the chil­dren or keep to a pro­gram. We just try to allow the Holy Spirit to move how­ever He likes and get out of His way.

Dur­ing the singing time some­one might feel led to read a scrip­ture out loud, or to pray for some­one else in the group, or to call out to God in thanks­giv­ing and praise. We never know how that might work, but we’re open to what­ever happens.

I think this can only work if you’re with a group of peo­ple, a fam­ily of believ­ers, that you can trust. You have to know that every­one in that meet­ing cares for you and loves you. They’re not try­ing to con­trol you or to manip­u­late you. Over the last six years we’ve been devel­op­ing that level of trust together and it’s great, really.

Even­tu­ally we’ll move from the singing and prayer time to “open share time” where every­one (young, old, male, female, vis­i­tor, reg­u­lar, etc.) is free to share with every­one else what God has been teach­ing them dur­ing the week, or to share some­thing that the Lord spoke to them dur­ing wor­ship, etc. But not every­one has to share. It’s ok to be quiet and lis­ten, too.

Tran­si­tion from the singing to the open share time is very fluid and some­times we’ll drift back into singing songs again, or spend the whole time pray­ing for one another, or maybe share with one another over a sin­gle pas­sage of scrip­ture, or a vari­ety of scrip­tures if there are a lot of peo­ple who have some­thing to share. It varies week to week.

What I really love is when the seem­ingly ran­dom verses and tes­ti­monies that each per­son brings sud­denly begin to emerge as a com­plete teach­ing on a sin­gle topic. Some­times some­one will say, “What is Jesus try­ing to teach us this morn­ing?” and we’ll real­ize “Oh, it’s about let­ting go and trust­ing Him” or “It’s about for­give­ness”, and then we’ll try to respond to Him and thank Him for teach­ing us this les­son as a Body.

Our meet­ings usu­ally run from about 9am for morn­ing prayer to around 1pm or so. Some­times it goes to 2pm but usu­ally 12:30pm to 1pm. We usu­ally end with Com­mu­nion together and sing a song before we depart.

Do you iden­tify with the so-called “house church move­ment” and what do you see as its strengths and weaknesses?

Yes, I sup­pose I do. I’m not like some oth­ers who want to draw hard lines in the sand between “Organic” and “House Church” or “Sim­ple Church” or “New Tes­ta­ment Church” or what have you. The labels mean less to me than the practice.

What I can say I most believe in when it comes to the House Church Move­ment is that it’s a gen­uine move­ment of the Holy Spirit. It’s what God is doing and as long as it’s some­thing that God is doing it’s a move­ment. When men and women try to put their hands on it and own it or mar­ket it or charge admis­sion for it, then to me it ceases to be a Move­ment and it becomes another denom­i­na­tion. I’m not inter­ested in that.

I’ve writ­ten about this before on my blog and shared my con­cerns about ele­vat­ing lead­ers within the House Church/Organic Church move­ment to become our own ver­sions of “Pas­tors” and “Bish­ops”. If we do that we’ve now become as guilty as the rest of the tra­di­tional church we left behind in order to pur­sue Christ as our only Head.

This is a two way street, by the way. It can be the Leader who seeks the fame and the name, or it can be the peo­ple who seek after a guru who will tell them what to believe and how to behave. Or, it can be a lit­tle of both.

As some­one whose per­sonal sin is pride, I have to admit that I’m very aware of this ten­dency in myself and I work very hard to sit in the back­ground of our own church fam­ily and not take the Lord’s place in the Body. I used to limit myself to only two “soap box moments” every meet­ing. Then my goal was to try not to share a com­ment on what every per­son shared dur­ing the meet­ing. Now my goal is to keep silent unless the Lord really prompts me to share some­thing. Oth­er­wise, I sit qui­etly and I listen.

I know that some­times peo­ple who read my blog or my books will visit our house church and they’ll expect that I’ll have some cool teach­ing to share every time. But that’s not what hap­pens. If any­thing, I’ll rarely talk at all unless the Lord has given me some­thing to teach or to share.

My goal is really to encour­age every­one else to share. I really want to hear what my two teenage boys have to say. I want to hear from those quiet wives who never speak out. I want hear what that five year old boy has to say about Jesus. Those are always the most pro­found things, really. I’ve learned so much from the most unlikely sources. It’s amaz­ing, really.

This kind of thing is a move­ment of God. No man can take credit for this. When I hear from peo­ple all over the nation, and even the world, that God is lead­ing them in this same New Tes­ta­ment model of “being Church” it excites me. Because we’re not mov­ing in this direc­tion because we read a blog or a book or attended a con­fer­ence. Every one I’ve spo­ken to shares their story about how God did this to them. God called them to step out­side the tra­di­tional model of Church and they obeyed Him and fol­lowed His lead­ing, even at a great cost — usu­ally friend­ships, or salaries, or the respect of oth­ers, etc. But when I hear those tes­ti­monies I rejoice because I know that God is puri­fy­ing His Bride and He’s doing some­thing mar­velous that no man can dare take credit for.

You have also been active in a motel min­istry in Orange County.  What exactly do you there?

Well, about six­teen years ago my wife and I were on staff at this lit­tle church plant in Tustin, Cal­i­for­nia. I was the Com­pas­sion Min­istries and Children’s pas­tor. We were try­ing to reach the poor in our com­mu­nity and we got con­nected to the Orange County Res­cue Mis­sion. Their chap­lain at the time, my dear brother Ray Green, helped me to see the poor fam­i­lies that were liv­ing in motels all around us.

At first we vol­un­teered and helped out as they took Laun­dry Bas­kets to pass out to needy fam­i­lies there in this one motel in Santa Ana called “The Cal­i­for­nia Stu­dio Inn”.  I’ll never for­get knock­ing on doors and see­ing wel­come mats in front of these lit­tle motel rooms, and kids toys and shoes in the door­way, and wind chimes hang­ing out­side the doors. There were peo­ple liv­ing here. Like, all the time. This was their home. It really blew me away.

I can remem­ber the moment exactly when God spoke to me about this place. I was stand­ing on the sec­ond floor bal­cony wait­ing for some­one from our team to come back with more laun­dry bas­kets of good­ies to pass out. There were lit­tle kids play­ing in the hall­ways out­side. I was just stand­ing there, tak­ing it all in when I heard the Lord say, “If you want this place I’ll give it you.”

It really shocked me, actu­ally. And I always say if I had any idea what I was say­ing “yes” to I might not have done it, but in that moment I said “Ok, Lord. I’ll take it if you’ll give it to me.”

So, what I thought this meant at first was that God was going to give me this huge motel min­istry that would end up get­ting every­one saved and turn that place upside down and we’d have this amaz­ing min­istry every­one would talk about. But that’s not what God did.

Once we got per­mis­sion to serve there, and that was a mir­a­cle in itself, the first thing the Lord did was to shine a spot­light on this one fam­ily and He said, “Love this fam­ily.” So, for the first few years we did that. We shared in their suf­fer­ings, we had them over to our house for din­ner and lunch. We let their kids play with our kids. We drove them around look­ing for afford­able hous­ing. We prayed for them. We cried with them when loved ones died sud­denly. We coun­seled them about bad deci­sions they were mak­ing. We just loved them.

Sure, we still con­tin­ued to serve all the peo­ple at the motel — we brought a bounce house for the kids and we played games with them and we shared cloth­ing and food as the Lord pro­vided, but essen­tially our first phase was just to love that one family.

Now, every­one always asks me what God did to change that fam­ily. The truth is, that fam­ily is still liv­ing in a motel (they’ve moved to another motel far­ther away) and they’re still strug­gling with the same chal­lenges. But God did change a fam­ily — He changed my family.

See, that’s the beauty of this kind of min­istry. You start off think­ing that it’s all about chang­ing them, and then you real­ize that God is using them to change your heart and your per­spec­tive. We’re the one’s who need them, just as much, maybe more, than they need bread and friend­ship. We all need the same Jesus, and by shar­ing in the suf­fer­ings of oth­ers we learn what it really means to love Jesus as He loved us. Because Jesus said what­ever we did for the least of these we did it unto Him.

So, after six­teen years we’ve seen sev­eral turn their hearts to Christ, and be bap­tized, and start liv­ing for Christ daily. We’ve started plant­ing a church there on Sun­day morn­ings in part­ner­ship with Sad­dle­back and a few other churches too. The story continues.

Who are your heroes?

Quick list: Jesus (of course); my wife Wendy; Jackie Pullinger; David Ruis; A.W. Tozer; W.C. Ketch­er­side; Fenelon; Gandhi; Mar­tin Luther King, Jr.; Crissy Brooks (the founder of MIKA); and a few other peo­ple you wouldn’t know but who inspire me daily to be more like Jesus.

What do you feel is a person’s pur­pose on this planet?

I sup­pose I’d say a person’s pur­pose on this planet is to know God and His Son by daily sur­ren­der of our will to His per­fect will.

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Keith Giles reg­u­larly write on his subversive1 blog. His books can be found on LuLu and Ama­zon.  For Paci­fist Fight Club site infor­ma­tion and upcom­ing events, check out the offi­cial blog.

¶ Despatched on Thursday, August 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm and sorted in Interviews. ¶ { ReTweet }

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ValAugust 30th, 2012 at 11:02 pm

This is my first time to your site Anthony. Great inter­view! I can attest to Keith’s per­spec­tive on the state of the Church and it’s long time depen­dence on run­ning things like a busi­ness instead of func­tion­ing as a fam­ily and the Bride of Christ. I have also vis­ited Keith and Wendy’s home for one of their church gath­er­ings. The love and open­ness dis­played by those there was just won­der­ful. :-)

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